they were, say, six months ago, and what this also says to me is that they bought the bill clinton argument from the convention which is essentially give this guy a little bit more time and if you do, he'll get it right. >> as you look at the numbers, john, you take into account some of the most recent polling out of virginia which is another big swing state, crucial swing state, where president obama's ahead, what does it mean for governor romney? does it mean that the debates are basically make or break? >> yes, in a word, yes. because anderson, if you were just, say it was just ohio and florida, you could dedicate more campaign time, send governor romney, send paul ryan, send more tv ad money, you could send them into those two states, right? kou try to essentially carpet bomb those two states. as you noted, polling also shows him down in virginia. polling also shows him brand new today down in iowa, shows him down in nevada, shows him down in wisconsin. it's a dead heat in colorado and a dead heat in new hampshire. when you have all this ground to cover, you don't have the time and resources. six weeks is a lot of time, but you can't change so many different states.